Should Web Entrepreneurs Hang on to their Companies?

Chris Matthews said something on his Hardball TV show last night that I found disarming. The set up is what makes the payoff satisfying, so I’ll quote pretty much his whole lead-in to a particular segment of the show:

"We all studied in school, those of us who took economics, the Marxist theory.  It‘s called the labor theory of value.  You get paid for your labor, and there shouldn‘t be any extra money made.  Now, of course, we have all gone beyond that with neoclassical economics. And we say, no, there ought to be some money for entrepreneurial — entrepreneurialism.  If a guy or a woman starts a company, they risk money, they risk most of their lives to get a company going, whether it‘s a laundry or it‘s a big bank, whatever it is.  They deserve to make a big profit and live better than anybody else. That‘s the way the system works. But these guys who make money off money...is that necessary? I mean, I have got [to] like anybody you can think of, whether it‘s Iacocca, Spielberg, anybody who makes something, whether it‘s a movie or it‘s a car, you say, great, he ought to make money. But this money that is being made just off of money, is it necessary for our system to have people that make [money off of money] — and, by the way, are the entrepreneurs losing the money that they should be getting from this money?" 

This resonated with something a friend, a veteran venture investor, told me a couple months ago. I won’t convey what he said nearly as precisely as I nailed the Chris Matthews’ quote (thanks to the show’s transcript), but my friend said something like this:

“Wall Street’s pitch to the entrepreneur for the last fifty years has been: you go build your business and operate it and make it valuable. Once you’ve done that, sell it, liquidate it, and turn the cash over to us; we will diversify your wealth, spread it around, extend it, because we know how to do that really well and you don’t. Your money is not only safe with us, it’s safer with us than it would be if you stayed in the game running a business somewhere out there in the middle of America.”

And the Great Recession has put the lie to that pitch, my friend said. From here on out, I’m re-constructing more than paraphrasing:

"Those who bought the Wall Street pitch have lost forty to sixty percent of their net worth. And so it will become clear once again that the way to gain wealth, keep it and expand it is to do it the way the robber barons of the 19th Century did it — by owning and controlling operating businesses. It’s fine to hire others to come in and manage them, but if you want to keep your wealth, you have to own businesses that turn on the lights (real or virtual) every day. Diversification doesn’t mean stocks and bonds, it means owning and operating several or many different businesses. This is also the best hedge against inflation, because you will always be paid in the current currency; and you won’t be having Wall Street taking its cut, coming and going, up years and down."

This is all well and good for the tycoons and would-be tycoons, but most entrepreneurs I work with still need liquidity because, first and foremost, they are restless; having succeeded, or failed, or succeeded-and-failed-at-the-same-time with a given venture, they will invariably, at some point, need to move on to the next thing.

Can you pull some liquidity from your venture, keep running it, and hire management into it while you go focus on the next one? This is a model that I think we may see play out here in the next few years:  the serial entrepreneur who stays a shareholder, and perhaps a board member, as he hands off the day to day operational responsibility, and draws cash from one business to seed the next one. This may be a model that is unique to software, social networking and other Internet-oriented ventures, however. This may be a byproduct, a benefit, of those who’ve learned to bootstrap during the Great Recession.

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I think this is a great point. I also think that the model of owning multiple businesses has been around for a while - and it's generally a good model. The IPO and acquisition exit strategies seem to be much more prevalent in the web industry, and a relatively recent thing as well. I grew up in a very small town - small town business owners tend to own multiple businesses. My father owned a coal mining business and at the same time owned an accounting firm. He spent most of his time with the accounting firm as the firm's CPA, and had hired foreman to run the day-to-day operations of the coal business. He would get involved in the coal business for major decisions of capital, land acquisition, and strategy. My uncle similarly owned multiple businesses (coal-mining, solid waste disposal, aviation services).
Posted by Bruce Roberts on Oct, 21 at 7:23 PM
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Bruce, thanks for your comment. I think what happens with tech oriented ventures is, or a paradigm that I guess solidified in the 90s was, that so much capital was needed to get something going and pull all the talent and hardware and marketing and other resources together was, entrepreneurs essentially starting selling control of their ventures with a single round or two of investment. And then the investors, given how they were not natural persons but funds that had their own liquidity demands, sort of pushed the flips or exits to serve their financial agendas, and the founders, if fortunate, ended up with cash, but no business; or, if an interest in the business, a minor one, with no ability to run it to generate cash for the shareholders. It was a cycle predicated on churn. Now, that model might still be necessary to build a biofuel company or some medical device or drug, I don't know; but it probably isn't a necessary model anymore for most web companies? Because the funding requirements are so different than even 10 or even 5 years ago.
Posted by William Carleton on Oct, 21 at 10:31 PM
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As someone who owns multiple businesses, this has always made sense to me. I knew I was never going to go public or raise money, sell out, etc. I just wanted a profitable business that allowed me to live a comfortable lifestyle. If I ended up flipping it...awesome! The issue I have with the quote above is that without people using money to make money, there would be no venture capital or investment at all. It's as if Chris Matthews believes Iacocca and Speilberg made their money on labor and skill alone with zero investment from outside money. Its the old adage..."It takes money to make money." In today's web environment, it takes more technical & marketing skill than money because the cost to develop a product is so inexpensive compared to a biotech/research based product and the exponential power is far larger. PS: This is the problem I have with politico's meddling in economics. Someone like Chris Matthews doesn't have a clue what it takes to MAKE money. The quote makes it sound like if he were dictator, he would stop people from investing their hard earned money...which would kill our economy. What are Iaccocca and Speilberg supposed to do with their dollars earned from skill and labor? Sit on it? Burn it? Give it to the Government? I hate these suto-marxists. It's as if they choose not to face facts or reality and live in a dream world.
Posted by Damon Pace on Oct, 22 at 1:20 AM
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Damon, I hadn't interpreted Matthew's comments that way. I thought he was drawing a distinction between people who invest (time, effort and capital) to build a product, a service, something of value, and those whose "investments" are in financial products (credit default swaps, mortgage backed securities, derivatives, etc.) which are just, from one way of thinking, anyway, just re-packaging and re-selling pre-existing financial products. Or maybe he was alluding to the whole culture of churn for the sake of churn, for the sake of taking the cut on the trade or the transaction, just for the sake of having transactions. (It's also interesting that, in the segment I quoted from, the guest, Andrew Sorkin, admitted that he felt, or allowed that, the world economic system probably did depend in some pivotal way on the process of churning and re-packaging -- so to that extent, what Wall Street does permits money to be moving around that can be invested, deal by deal, on Main Street?)
Posted by William Carleton on Oct, 22 at 4:31 PM
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Chris Matthews also called West Point the "Enemy Camp," and "I felt this thrill going up my leg" as Obama spoke," not to mention him saying that he is working to make this [Obama] Presidency work (which probably means demonizing the wealthy and pushing a Marxist agenda).  See Chris Matthews in all his "unbiased" and "credible" journalistic glory here:

Bottomline: If there are no wealthy folks putting their money into banks, stocks or business investments... then this country will no longer see the expansion of economic growth that it has experienced in the last 100 years.  Marxism is the poison of entrepreneurship. 

Posted by Home View on Dec, 07 at 2:21 AM
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Is this Paul Peltekian or Timothy Ross writing? With respect, I'd appreciate it if you'd put an individual rather than a corporate name to your comments. Also, I'm not sure I get the straw man argument here. Matthews is not an investigative reporter. Even if he were, I don't agree that journalists can't have points of view or values. Also, I don't think he or President Obama are pushing anything like a Marxist agenda.
Posted by William Carleton on Dec, 07 at 9:52 AM
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This is Tim...
First, any journalist worth their salt has an ethical duty to NOT have point of view.  That is the first thing taught in Journalism 101.  In fact, there is a Code of Ethics that journalists are supposed to subscribe to and one practice described in the code states, "Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public's right to know." Chris Matthews is not a journalist.  Neither is Hannity... or Maddow... or Rush... and so on.
Second, I do not make a straw man argument.  You bring up a quote by Chris Matthews and I aim to discredit Matthews through a variety of his own quotes which is totally relevant.  If I were making some type of straw man argument, I woulda brought up Cap & Trade or the Socialized Medicine bill.  Furthermore, I give my "bottomline" which is in direct opposition to Matthews' point that "I mean, I have got [to] like anybody you can think of, whether it‘s Iacocca, Spielberg, anybody who makes something, whether it‘s a movie or it‘s a car, you say, great, he ought to make money. But this money that is being made just off of money, is it necessary for our system to have people that make [money off of money] — and, by the way, are the entrepreneurs losing the money that they should be getting from this money?" to which I state that our country's fast economic growth is dependant on monies being available through banks, investors, stocks, etc. and these folks should receive a return on their investments because there is risk attached.  Money doesn't just appear out of thin air (unless Fed Reserve decides to print debt - which is what is happening right now at an disturbing rate)... money for investing comes from those who have it and are willing to do something more with it than stick it under their pillow at night.  It was makes America great.

And if you don't think their is a Marxist agenda happening right now... well, there are a good 50 million voters that disagree with you. And, if you don't believe them, please honestly tell me that the Karl Marx's quote, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," from The Communist Manifesto is not re-interpreted as "redistributing the wealth" or as it was so eloquently put by Obama here:

That's a whole different argument and probably not one meant for these blogs.  So, unless you want to debate it, I'll make that my last post on this blog.

Posted by Home View on Dec, 07 at 10:38 AM
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